tv Weekends With Alex Witt MSNBC April 28, 2012 4:00am-5:00am PDT
will try to ensure never gets told, but it will be told. happy 25th birthday, act up. you set out really aggressively and controversially to change the world and you changed the world. more fallout today from the she secret service sex scandal. now there are new rules agents must live by when they go overseas. could this surveillance video help answer the mystery of a missing child? we'll tell you why police say this could hold the key. swing state breakdown. we look at the places that could hold the key to november's presidential election and who is leading? end of the line, should we worry about a new report on social security? will you get back the money you have invested over the years? good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we'll get to what's happening right now beginning with new developments in the scandal of the secret service. the agency that protects president obama has issued new rules for the conduct of agents that restrict their drinking and
contact with foreigners while traveling. nbc's mike baquero is at the white house with the very latest. good saturday morning, mike. >> reporter: well, good morning to you, alex. new guidelines issued by the secret service in the wake of the allegations surrounding solicitation of prostitution of the president's trip in advance of the trip two weeks ago to colombia. you recall that there was a dispute among the prostitutes. it's already cost several agents their jobs. the u.s. secret service their reputation now tarnished, that sterling reputation, and the director of the secret service, mark sullivan, issues the guidelines and accompanying the guidelines says, quote, consider your conduct through the lens of the past several weeks. among the guidelines, foreign nationals are prohibiting from agents and personnel hotel rooms. they are prohibited from nonreputable establishments and alcohol is allowed with moderation but not within ten hours of reporting to duty and always while off-duty.
the laws of the u.s. always apply say the guidelines, but that may sound obvious. when traveling overseas there will be chaperones for many secret service personnel. before going on the trip there's a briefing about standards of conduct for each individual country where the president visits. alex? >> mike baquero at the white house, thank you. front page politics, president obama is launching attacks against republicans on women's issue. during a speech last night at the national issues conference in d.c. the president singled out the virginia governor for a new law that requires women to undergo an ultrasound procedure before having an abortion. he also attacked another gop state leader. >> they are pushing and passing bills forcing women to get ultrasounds, even if they don't want one. if you don't like it, the governor of pennsylvania said you can close your eyes. it's a quote. it's apalling. it's offensive, it's out of touch. >> mitt romney met with college students in the battleground
state of ohio friday. this follows president obama's visits to three universities in other key swing states. romney spoke at a small liberal arts school in westerville, ohio. he talked politics and the economy. >> words are easily malleable, but facts, they are stubborn. and so i would suggest that in the campaign ahead, and in the cam pains of various officers running for various positions ahead, that you consider not just the bill yaps of their words, but also the facts of their record and what they have done, and that will be the best predict or the, i believe, of what they will do going forward. >> meanwhile, president obama goes into full campaign mode. next saturday he kicks off his re-election campaign with visits to ohio state university in columbus and the university in richmond. coming up in ten minutes i'll talk to chris matthews about the latest political headlines. the u.s. government is now
saying al qaeda is incapable of carrying out a mass casualty attack like september 11. u.s. counter terror officials say al zahari would like to attack the u.s. but his group is scrambling to survive. they are under fire from american drone attacks and have suffered many strategic set backs. it's been almost a year since osama bin ladin was killed. a new battle is brewing between the parents of trayvon martin and george zimmerman. the family wants the court to revoke zimmerman's bond because he claimed not to have enough money, but the judge denied the request yesterday. zimmerman dereceived the court. his attorney called it an oversight. zimmerman claimed self-defense in the shooting death of 17-year-old trayvon martin back in february. police searching for a missing girl now have surveillance video hoping to yield clues. tucson police are now looking for five men seen on the video
walking into the neighborhood where the 6-year-old disappeared from a week ago. first grader isabel mercedes was last seen in her bedroom late friday night and police say a window was open with the screen pushed aside. federal authorities say the search is also expanding to nearby mexico. let's move to the weather this last weekend of april. a live look at new york city where things are starting out unseasonably cool this morning as we get to the picture of the outside. the pre-dawn temperatures are in the 30s today. and today is expected to be a wet one in the midwest. there it is, crystal clear and beautiful. bill karins has more on what to expect where you are. good morning, bill. >> good saturday morning to you, alex. we are not looking at tornadoes or anything like that today, but the biggest weather concern is the cold temperatures up through new england early this morning. last night a hard freeze had taken its toll. farmers out all night trying to protect their crops. the blueberries, strawberries and apples look to see significant damage in new york
state, pennsylvania and southern new england. the freeze line all the way down near pittsburgh, just outside of new york city. when you're in the mid-20s near binghamton, it is really hard to protect the crops. of course, everything blossomed early because of the incredibly warm march. that's why we are seeing all the issues. as far as other weather concerns, areas and a cold, chilly rain near minneapolis and chicago. light rain early this morning and it will clear out to be a decent afternoon there after a wet start to your weekend. here's a look at the forecast. as we go throughout your saturday, areas of green show you where all the rain is. showers arriving late in the day. areas like d.c. all the way southward, richmond, northward, back up to southern new jersey, those showers should be late afternoon into the evening. light rain on and off, a best chance for a washout in southern wisconsin and portions of indiana and ohio. as far as thunderstorms go, a few strong storms in missouri. then tomorrow it looks like numerous thunderstorms from tulsa to joplin to springfield, possibly near oklahoma city. the east coast looks good for sunday and much of the west coast looks good for the entire
weekend. but once again, alex, it's going to be a lot of damage out there in new england. we are talking up to a million dollars www.of worth of agricultural damage. >> thank you, bill karins. it is time now for the morning's three big money headlines. slowing down? home improvement. got milk? forbes staff writer morgan brennan is here to tell us what this means. good saturday morning to you, morgan. >> thank you for having me on. >> i'm glad you're here. we'll talk about the growth of the u.s. economy. the gross domestic product is growing at 2.2% in the first quarter of this year. so we'll talk about the numbers and what they mean. >> well, so the gdp is actually 2.2% annualized rate down from 3% in the fourth quarter of last year. however, this is still relatively good news. it's a little bit lower than i think economists and probably americans would like to see, but the good news is consumers are opening their pocketbooks and spending. we are seeing that in the numbers. surprisingly, residential
building, something that's been more an event in the last couple of years, has seen an uptick as well. where the number has come down from the last quarter is business investment. we are seeing jobs are not necessarily being created as quickly, wages are not growing as fast. that's the issue we see as the year unfolds. however, americans are spending money. they are still feeling very confident about the economy. >> yeah. i'm looking at one headline that i see regarding the housing where home sales, contracts have riz up more than 4% for the month of march. has the housing market turned the corner? >> i think the housing market is a very local situation that kind of depends on where you live in the country. that being said, we are seeing some really positive numbers. we are perhaps hitting a bottom this year. and, yeah, pending home sales are up 13% from this time last year. 4% from last month. that's really good news. we are still seeing some tightened lending. we are still seeing low appraisals, which have been messing up 30% of these contracts we are seeing going into place in general each
month, but people are starting to go out and starting to shop. they are starting to purchase homes and take advantage of the really record affordability. >> the record affordability is remarkable right now. there's something that has a good and bad twist here, that's milk prices. they are falling, so consumers go to the grocery store and think, hey, this is really good. yet if you look at economists and what they say, maybe not so much. >> milk prices are kind of like the butter prices, they look at the price of eggs, it is a proxy for inflation. so we heard the federal reserve spoke this week saying that inflation, although it is up a little bit in the last couple of months, it is not an issue yet. and we are seeing that if the price of milk. milk has gone down 4% on store shelves, that's good news, but they are not spending as much on products like milk. that being said, it's also possibly a reflection that we'll see economic slowdown. but we may not, still, because
we saw such unseasonably warm weather in the last couple of months that we have seen a surplus of milk, the milk herds, the cow herds have been larger than usual. so that remains to be seen. >> let's hope that the trend of falling himming milk prices means a slow in productivity. we'll hope that doesn't happen this time. thank you. mark halperin, a big vp candidate that he says has zero chance of being picked. ♪ i'm here with karen and her bffs and we are talking about activia. i've been eating activia and i feel great! i'm used to having irregularity. i feel like that's normal. if you are not feeling like trying this on,
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♪ let's get some reaction now to the latest political headlines. joining me is the host of msnbc's "hardball." chris matthews, i wish we could continue the conversation we had during the commercial. can i just ask you about the full screen we just saw there? when it says who do people think should be running the house? 2% prefer democrats over republicans, is that because the country wants something to get done? >> well, i do. my new secular religion is make it work. i just think that, you know, we look at issues like immigration and the debt, and we just kick them down the road every year and we talk about them. it is like the middle east peace process, it never goes anywhere. i think we have to show our
ability to compromise. and the normal way you do it is way wait and see who wins the election and cut the deal in favor of who won the election. it is never 50/50. so it should be a 60/40, after the last 2010 election, it should have been pro-republican, maybe 60/35, the democrats should have favored in favor of the republicans and then they would have done better. always compromise in favor of the electorate so you can win the next election. you have to compromise. and it is never 50/50. and i think that you have to fave the electorate. let the people know that voting counts, that's what i think. >> okay. we'll talk about the student loans issue, front and center all this weekendful we'll take something from john boehner who blasted the president for visiting the swing states to talk about the loans. yesterday he took to the floor of the house during a vote on the student loan bill and here's what he said. let's listen. >> people want to politicize this because it's an election year, but my god, do we have to
fight about everything? and now, now we are going to have a fight over women's health. give me a break. >> before we get to the issue of women's health, let's look at the student loans vote. everybody can agree that they don't want these loans to double, but it's the fight over how to pay for it. who wins here? >> well, i mean, first off, i hope they get it done, but secondly, obviously the democrats believe that women voters are going to be energized by this debate. women tend to vote democrat. that's been going on since the reagan election, the big gender gap emerged in the '80s, that's 30 years ago. the women will, in this election, will vote for democrat than men do. this chance to republicans now walk into this by saying, okay, we'll pay for the student loan cut by cutting some of the health care benefits in the obama plan. well, the democrats come back and say, that's hurting women's
health, preventive health programs. they have a case. the republicans walked into this. the democrats exploited it. this is politics and it is also substance. >> talk about the politics and whether there's any substance with karl rove's super pac with the new ad a attacking president obama, too cool for school, too cool to be a good president. what do you make of republicans making that line of attack? >> i think it is for older voters. i'm not saying it is racist or anything like that. i'm saying the minorities are voting for obama. this is aimed at older white voters. i'm not making a nasty comment, he's appealing to younger voters being cool, being into pop music, all greene has a good singing voice and knows how to act in the cultural settings with kids. romney can't do it. he's clueless about this kind of thing. he's not hip, he's not cool. so you play your strengths. now what do the republicans do? rove comes out and says, you think you're cool? a lot of people are not into
today's music and are turned off to it so we are going to nail you for it. it's a way of showing he's enjoying the office too much, he's not working hard. that's really the smart move there. it's good politics. and we'll see how it plays. it is not willie horton or anything like that, so we'll see. but it is obviously cultural, it is obviously age we are talking about here. and it may just be ethnic. we'll see. >> so you're saying that this ad plays to the older voters. typically, chris, who comes out to vote for in an election, is it the youth, which will love this cool image, or is it the older voters? >> the election last time turned on the fact that younger people showed up, they showed up about as often as they do, 1% or more, but they voted overwhelmingly for the president by 2-1. for the president to win re-election based upon those numbers, he has to get the same turnout of young people 17% or 18% of the electorate and they have to vote for him by the same
sweeping numbers. that's assuming everything is about the same. the republicans know this, the democrats know this. the president is playing this by getting the kids energized by reconnecting to them, having spent four years dealing with foreign policy, killing bin ladin, saving gm, saving the auto industry, he's trying to connect with the kid, the younger voters. he's doing it. the republicans see him doing it and say, we are going to nail you for doing it, politics. >> we'll talk about osama bin ladin's death that came almost a year ago to the day now. the obama campaign released this video praising the leadership in that situation. it calls into focus president obama's credentials. what does romney need to do to counter the attacks? >> this will sound partisan but it isn't. this man has shown no interest throughout his life to foreign policy. mitt romney showed an interest in his family, religion and making money. and that's it. he has not focused on foreign
policy. he probably hasn't thought about it or ever said anything about it. now he wants to be president of the united states because that's his ambition. part of this is showing interest in foreign policy, he doesn't. what scares me about romney, and the one thing that scares me about him, he listens to these adviser who is have glammed on to him and he talks about going to war with iran. you can't get any tougher than obama has been on iran with the sanctions except to go to war. when he comes out and says i'm going to be tougher, what do you mean, romney? that's scary. this ad is fair. politics in this should be seasoned and based on experience and being careful and understanding the consequences of your actions. going to war with iran is not some light thing to do. it's frighteningly consequential, we are going to war with an islamic country. all kinds of bad things can happen, and not just in terms of
oil. and you aught to be aware of it before you flip off with a statement. i think it is a fair shot at him for not being prepared and not really being serious. and i think the president is right to hit him on it. >> okay, chris matthews, see you in d.c. tonight. can't wait. >> it will be a lot of fun. i was out last night for all the prep parties. kathy, my wife, had me out until 12:00 going to the new yorker party, the "time" magazine party, the hollywood reporter party. tonight it starts again with the "vanity fair" hottest ticket party. they have one of these electronic things you have to flash like getting on a train to get in there. it is really going to be tough tonight. >> it is going to be fun. i was home getting to bed and just reading in, but i'll see you tonight at the parties. >> we'll be there all night. >> sounds fun, see you there. should the tsa stop padding down passenger? we have explosive comments on that. meantime, one of the most iconic artworks is up for
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>> like medicare social security is underfunded. by 2033 it could run out of money, although it is unlikely we'll see such a scenario take place. don't forget, the lion share of the baby boomers, not to be morbid about this, will have already passed from the scene. the fund will be running out of money and there will be fewer people receiving social security benefits by then as well. >> so barring that fact, what are the ways to solve this problem. >> well, i think this will get some traction, simpson bowles came up with a relatively elegant and simple solution to increase the solvency of this. raise the retirement and eligibility ages modestly, you means test the programs and increase the solvency of social security by 75 years, medicare by 85 years, just following the prescriptions they have in their program. >> so you are talking like 65 or 67? >> we are 67 now. for you and me, and i suspect
you are younger than i am, but for you and me our retirement age is 67. they are talking about raising it to 68 by 2050. it's a nothing fix. but just the third rail of american politics is entitlements, so even with the modest adjustments and raising the tax level on your income means testing the programs effectively would increase the solvency dramatically. >> if you're looking at what we did in 65 and 67, that didn't fix it. >> don't forget, thost a cohort of 77 millions, the baby boomers, we are talking 2033. now, granted, if you're 65 there's a good chance you'll be around in 21 years, but you will be 87. and so some of the demographic drag that we are going to have from the baby boomers will begin to go away. andthere's a baby bust behind that generation, in how much debt are we going to accumulate in the meantime to keep funding the program.
>> how confident are you, the things we get in the mail that say how much you are going to get, are we going to get that amount of money? >> look, allen himself says by 2033 or so, by 2020, i'm sorry, if nothing were done, there would be a 23% reduction in benefits to everybody. so assuming we do nothing, that's what happens. i suspect some version of simpson bowles will get passed next year because there's political pressure in the united states to avoid the european fiscal outcome. we see what the problems are, spain's unemployment is 24%. they are in osser thety mode, crushing the economies, trying to get the debt down. we'll have a come to jesus moment next year in which some of the issues get addressed. if we fail, we'll have serious problems in 10 to 20 years from now. and sooner if the bond market is unforgivable about it. have fun tonight, for those of us who were not invited to the white house correspondents dipper. >> you have been invited a million times sh please.
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in the words of president obama's campaign manager, welcome to the general election. mitt romney is not officially the republican nominee, but what has not stopped them from going into political mode. we'll look at the key battleground states and president obama has added to his electoral lead. we have mark murray and molly ball, national reporter for the "atlantic." good to see you. >> good morning.
>> mark, run us through the maps, what are the key states now? >> there are seven battleground states we have are toss-ups that we saw from 2008. some of them have been around since 2000 and 2004. it is colorado, nevada, north carolina, florida, ohio, virginia and nevada. those seven will end up deciding the presidential election. >> okay. so this has changed a bit from 2008. so, molly, what does this tell you about the changing voter demographics? >> well, one thing we certainly see are the southwestern swing states that has a lot to do with the hispanic vote. so that's a major battleground. we have the southern swing states, depending on whether you count florida, but certainly virginia and north carolina, those are new swing states, newer for the democrats to put into play and that has to do with a lot of the changing demographics in the south. then the old traditional rust belt swing states, ohio and pennsylvania, sort of hearty perennials of the swing state circuit where we are used to go
every four years and taking temperatures of the voters in the old industrial states. that's the case this year as it always has been. >> a few states are moving into the president's column as leaning his way. molly, talk about those. >> well, the map, i think it does start out quite favorable for president obama. and in a lot of ways this is more of a national narrative than a narrative about individual states. help we talk about the key demographics such as the women's vote, that's going to be something that happens on a messaging level nationwide that happens maybe on the air or in terms of things that the candidates are saying on television or in the tv ads or in literature and speeches and that kind of thing. so maybe not something we can analyze on a state-by-state level, but i do think it is pretty clear in the polling we are seeing and on the state-by-state polling that the president starts out with a bit of an advantage. >> okay. mark, missouri and iowa, leaning
republican now, what's behind that? >> well, missouri is a state we always thought would be tough for president obama. he was unable to win in 2008, seen as the high watermark for democrats. iowa is interesting. we have that leaning republican right now. there are polls out there, a great pollster out of des moines, iowa, showing president obama losing by a point or two to mitt romney. the obama folks actually do think they are starting to move iowa back in their direction. we saw the president at the university of iowa just this past week. they really want to make a big push, but it is very ironic that obama seems to be doing much better in new hampshire, which we have as leaning democrat over iowa. and iowa was the state that launched obama back in 2008. and new hampshire was the state where he had more trouble during the democratic primaries. >> i want to ask both of you this, when it used to be ohio, pennsylvania, florida, what -- where is the change in that?
what state will it come down to in november, mark, you first? >> i'm going to say virginia. virginia was a state that actually matched pretty much the popular vote margin in 2008. it has that demographic mix that the obama folks like a lot. i would actually say that who end up winning virginia probably wins the presidency and if president obama wins the re-election, a state like virginia is probably the one who gets the 217 electoral vote or a little bit past it. >> i believe the obama cam pain is thinking like you kicking off the campaign in virginia and ohio. molly, the state for you? >> i'm going to give a shout out to the southwest. i think the southwest is crucial. these are states that went for obama by a pretty wide margin and some of that has to do with the hispanic vote, but the thing about this southwest is when you put together the states, if you put together nevada, new mexico and colorado, that is as many electoral votes, just about, as
the state of ohio. so there's a chance for mitt romney who has strength in the southwest, partly because there's a large vote of mormons in these states and partly because i think his sort of profile appeals to these mountain west voters. so i think the southwest will be a major battleground as well. >> molly ball and mark murray, great chatting with you both, thank you. for more on the campaign trail, check out first read at msnbc.com, the first place for news and able sis from the political unit. leon pa feet ta panetta is commenting on the death of osama bin ladin on the first anniversary of the raid on his compound. he was killed after his compound was stormed in pakistan. the defense secretary spoke to reporters on friday before heading back for a series of meetings in south america. >> i think the one thing that all of us feel pretty good about, that were involved in this operation, is that as a result of what we did america is
safer. >> panetta said killing osama bin ladin has weakened the terrorist group. in this week's office politics we talk to mark hall rin, halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc. and he's author of the book "game change." in part one i asked him about the veep takes and how this factors into mitt romney's pick. >> it's great to pick a game-changing pick. it's great to pick a pick that can help you win a state or appeal to a constituency, but what really matters is you pick someone who is unambiguously qualified for president. >> and you think that could be rob portman? >> he makes a ton of sense on a ton of reasons and nobody punches as many tickets as he does, starting with qualified to be president. democrats like him, a lot of republicans across the spectrum like him.
it would be hard to find someone, i would say, next to impossible, to find someone who knows him at all with any credibility who would say he's not qualified. he meets that as well or better than a dick cheney, ajo lieberman, ajo biden. much better than marco rubio. the amount of words spent on discussing marco rubio as vice president already and going forward is just a total wave. i think there's a chance, next to zero chance, he'll be selected and maybe zero. because he's not been in washington long enough. >> i recall all of the talk about sarah palin and one thing reflected in the film game change, when you take the quote from cnn about sarah palin is a heartbeat away from a 72-year-old's presidency in office, that should scare the hell out of you. do you think that's the greatest legacy of her tenure running? >> to me the legacy is a lot about the process, not just the
vetting background of the people, but also figuring out how to introduce them to the country. >> how much did you love this reference by, not one, not two but three books that you write about the last election? first, the undecided voters guide to the next president. doesn't it really, mark, come down to just that, that middle 10% of the country, that's where the election happens? >> it could be a lot of effort, candidate effort and surrogate effort and money spent targeting the undecide voters in a handful of states. they don't care about the undecided voters in virginia, it doesn't matter how they vote for the electoral college. >> it's interesting looking at the cover of the book. fred thompson, where is he now? >> he does infomercials for rudy giuliani, america's mayor. he shows up on cable tv. >> and then there's john edwards. >> he's under trial, not having a good time at all. this one, "the way to win,"
taking the white house in 2008, what was the point of that? >> it was based on the premesis for the top strategists for four straight winning presidential campaigns, bill clinton's top strategist, and carl rofe, those two guys knew the way to win. they knew about the country and american politics and had some things in common that offered insight into how to win a presidential election and i think a lot of the success of president obama was drawn from that book, which i believe he read. >> what's the toughest part about chasing around the candidates? >> the combination of the logistics and the 24-hour news cycle. >> it has to wreak havoc on you for, what, a good 18 months before the election? for as long as the primary season is up and running? >> although it is kind of nonstop because there are already people talking about 2016 and people are positions for it. the travel is a strain.
and i'm someone who likes to sleep 12 hours a day, literally. >> how often do you get that? >> about once a month. >> that's a good day. >> yeah, i really like to sleep. >> i'm glad to know you like to sleep because oftentimes when i see you at the wee hours at msnbc so early, i have all this energy because that's the way i am and you are like, i just really thought you were annoyed. you are just still waking up and processing? don't tell me you are really annoyed. >> i'm not really annoyed. largely what it is based on is that i know there's some people in makeup rooms, not necessarily you, but there are some in the makeup room who like their quiet. >> yeah, i don't like the quiet. >> i go with that path of least resistance. >> so you are just trying to be thoughtful of others. our conversation continues at 1:00 p.m. we'll continue about the real romney that mark and a handful of others get to see. the saying is there's no
crying in baseball, unless you are a jilted toddler at a texas rangers game. now the engaged couple who celebrated feet away from a weeping child are crying foul. they say the video doesn't tell the whole story. they later offered the ball to the kid but his parents turned it down. shawn leonard and shannon moore say anger from the incident isover shadowing their wedding and they blame the yankees announcer for creating the firestorm. >> i wasn't even aware he was crying until we see the video. and then it was -- it looked bad, it was horrific looking. we knew the truth was going to come out, and it has after they talked to the family of the boy and that they said, we didn't even know he was upset. so, really, the play-by-play announcer that started this whole thing, he started the firestorm. then it just wouldn't stop. >> well, for any of you worried about it, the rangers did give
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to cover-up the affair from john's wife elizabeth or whether it was done to keep his campaign alive. you know, private versus public. so we learned this week that elizabeth, instead of learning everything all at once, it seems to have been kind of a rolling series of discoveries, which i did not know. i thought that was very interesting that, you know, she answered his cell phone once and rielle hunter was on the other line. so she knew, at that point, then she learned again later it was not over. so it was more of -- i don't think think, i think that under cut defense, you know, sort of saying it was only about keeping elizabeth in the dark when this was not exactly news to mrs. edwards. the most shocking thing, i thought, was the description of the very night that john edwards
lawn ched his campaign. again, you know, andrew young, not the ideal witness, not such a shiny star witness, but saying, you know, i picked him up, i picked john edwards up from the airport to take him to the launch of his presidential campaign, with his girlfriend, they were -- they cracked open a bottle of wine in the car and were passing it back and forth between the two of them all the way to the event. he brought his girlfriend with him into the event where his wife was. you know, the wife and the mistress run into each other with one coming out of the ladies room and the other going in. it is a wild over-the-top scene and changes our idea of what the whole cam pain bubble is and what a shut down atmosphere that can be. because that he would -- that really brings high risk behavior
to a new level, i think. >> i think cam pain bubble is absolutely in existence. can you talk about the judge, katherine who you call "sassy"? >> i meant that as a compliment. i think she's a very likable counter point to the not very likable star witness. so to have this sort of calming, funny presence in the courtroom who has things under control is a welcomed thing. she's very solicitive of the jury. she's very tough on -- and she was clearly very annoyed with andrew young. you know, he kept asking for a glass of water and she would say okay. and don't mumble. speak up. what are you saying? i can't follow. please, slow down.
he seemed to race, particularly at times when she was saying something that was at variance with his tell-all book. but she was also very hard on the defense team. at one point, abbey lole was arguing a motion and she said i'm sorry, did i just not rule in your favor? >> all right. thauj. come back and talk with us gun. >> why is the former head of the tsa saying we should get rid of pat downs and allow knives on board?
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to evacuate a terminal. but now two agencies are blaming each other. let's bring kip hawley to talk about this. you know, kip, is this an example of tsa working by the book? this one-size-fits-all policy, how do you react to that? >> well, what it sounds like to me is that if the two parties are arguing, the port authority police is there -- they're about 15 feet behind the tsa check point. as you know, the port authority police were the police authority in the world trade center on 9/11 and have responsibility for the area airports including newark. so they are very switched on counter terrorism. remember, tsa has cameras all over the place and they can follow an individual on the
cameras. so it is possible the tsa people did not consider it a serious breech and were going to bring her back. maybe the port authority police said no, let's get her and tsa will yield to the port authority. >> i'm curious, you've talked about how the tsa should use the controversial pat-down procedure. when should they use that? >> it should be use nod very limited cases where they can't resolve it by a pat down that includes the trace detection. by doing a pat down that is moderately close to the private areas, i think you can get the good security result. the key thing is the job to detect any trace of an explosive on somebody? or is the question we want to look for only the amount that is can take down the plane. >> kip, i'm going to have to cut
this short because we're out of time. i'm going to have my booker call you and book you back. thanks so much. >> no problem, thank you. >> that's a wrap of this hour. be sure to join me, we've got a two-hour edition at noon. more smart political talk on "up with chris hayes" right now. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. pull on those gardening gloves. and let's see how colorful an afternoon can be. with certified advice to help us expand our palette... ...and prices that give us more spring per dollar... ...we can mix the right soil with the right ideas.
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